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If forgein aid comes from the government tax pool, and taxes are “first fruits” from the paychecks of a nations citizens, and you believe in “making our personal and national excesses their basic substances”, hasn’t One.org and it’s members been targeting the wrong income source? Surely what the government takes in from my pay isn’t my excess. Isn’t the rest of my paycheck my excess? Who then has the right to it?

Ya, that’s socialism. The problem with this line of thinking is that the money that you are after doesn’t belong to you. You don’t have the right to it and and instead have to beseech governments for it. You also believe that you have the right to judge for others what their excesses are. That concept is pure grade crap. Unless you want to talk about fairness. I don’t know about you…but I do.

Fairness, this is all about fairness.(This too, is a lie. It’s about power.) Fariness to those in other countries who’s governments abuse them in all manners. Fairness. The problem with fairness in every instance it it’s implicit inclusion of all, not just it’s focus on a specific group. In this instance, fairness includes me and others like me. Others that believe that our tax dollars don’t go overseas. Others that don’t want our taxes raised to fund special interest groups like One.org because they think they know what’s best for our money and our tax dollars. It’s too bad that I’ve already shown that One.org doesn’t care about what happens to America and Americans with needs.

While your busy being fair for other people with my money, what are you doing in the mean time to be fair to me with my money? Deeming what is and what isn’t appropriate for me to have or own? How about maybe what I should or shouldn’t have? Wait…..do you want to talk about fairness? If you don’t, don’t reply. I’ll judge for you what it fair for you to have in your life. Are you game?

Thanks for taking the time to put all that thought down. I enjoyed most of it. lol

How could you come to any other conclusion though? What article published here has anything to do with something other than governments, money, and governments and money and the poor. I don’t know…maybe I’ve missed one or two articles. By and large though, the bulk of the articles here have something to do with the aforementioned.

The mantra that we pay “x” percent less, so we can afford to do more is broken logic. It’s a logical fallacy by means of misdirection. While you have to admit that we as a country pay more due to that information being in the public realm, you have to tell people that we actually pay less than everybody….enter the percent sign. Simply put, you want more money. Smoke and mirrors are for deception. If One.org’s mission is so pure and clean, why resort to misdirection? Misdirection only shows others that your organization has something that it doesn’t want seen.

I’m aware that lobbying works etc., etc., etc. I can get voting records and do so when I need to check out those that are running for office. Your mistaken when you say that it’s “democracy in action”. It’s not democracy in action. It’s a democratic republics representatives in action after having dealt with special interest groups. One.org is the special interest group in this instance. It lends it’s “politically correct” (for lack of a better word here…) essence to a candidate. It’s not a democracy. If it were, we would have voted on the issue, not for the canditate that eschews common sense out of practicality with regards to his/her office.

For clarity here, I’m not concerned about corrupt governments as much as I’m concerned about our tax dollars going to corrupt governments. No doubt you are aware that One.org wants to give funds to governments that have atrocious human rights records. Yeah, I know. “Transparency will fix that.”
That’s….nuts. That’s going to cost more money. By the way, which nation or group of nations is going to watch over that? Pay for that? That’s good judgement there. Better judgement however would be not giving money to governments that don’t care for their own people. When they get serious, then I might get serious and help them. Not until then though.

I liked the “life and death vs. xbox’s and summer camps.” bit. It’s classic “Look how serious this is compared to how frivolous that is”. Arguments like that are good at building support, except with those that realize that those who use them are seldom after very little and generally come for a whole lot for a very long time.

—>”If the definition of socialism is being our brother’s keeper, is making our personal and national excesses, yes, excesses, their basic substances, i say bring it on.”

Congress holds the checkbook where our taxes are deposited. if we stay silent, the funding is lobbied by professional lobbyists and those whose concentration are defense, security, commerce, domestic issues, and issues for developed countries will remain at the bottom of the heap. for all the issues addressed here, asking for 1% of the national budget to go to global development issues a person i hope would not think is out of line. Canada and other nations have reduced their goals to .7 percent, yup, “point seven.” but check the facts, america gives ..17 percent, that is “point one seven” of one percent for such issues.

and does our lobbying work? you can call Rick Larsen, Congressman for the 2nd District here in Washington State and ask him. Congressman Jim McDermott in Seattle. Congressman Adam Smith in Tacoma wrote and championed the Global Poverty Act last year, taken to the senate by Senator Obama, who could make it law for strategy and funding to be put in place annually for the attainment of the Millennium Development Goals. Congressmen Dave Reichert and Norm Dicks are republicans from Washington State who have welcomed us into their offices and voted in favor of house resolutions we have asked of them. or check with Senators Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell of Washington state here. mention ONE, RESULTS, Bread for the World, ask their staffs. they will tell you it works. check out http://www.thomas.gov voting records for 108th, 109th, 110th congresses and see how they’ve voted as we’ve asked of them. we don’t always win their votes, but often enough to make a difference. watching my senator speak on the floor of the senate when PEPFAR was being debated reflected that she not only listened to us, but did homework of her own, and $48 Billion of the money you and i and others paid in mandatory taxes went into AIDS, TB, and malaria treatment in africa. three years ago the victory was for millions. today we are asking for and getting billions.that’s our democracy in action.

even in this recession, we and our kids will not only eat and eat well and have their health care, thru either public health programs or private clinics,education, public utilities, social services addressed, with a grievance process in place if we are not satisfied. a family member told me they will support these foreign aid issues i discuss when american kids stop eating out of dumpsters. i told him show me a child eathing from a dumpter and i will get social services and the media there, most likely it will be on CNN that evening. i’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but point it out and even in our most corrupt neighborhoods of America, media, justice departments, and social services will be there in hours. as it is, media spends thousands of hours covering loss of a single child in the west, little Callie now, Madeline last year, it’s tragic their losses and covering these cases is important . . . . .still 26,500 children that we know of, surely more out htere that we don’t, under the age of five die daily, daily! in developing countries, nameless, without media, without intervention. those of us who believe in the work of ONE are their intervention. not because their families don’t love them, but from preventable, treatable diseases and poverty. we’re talking life and death here, not xboxes and summer camps..

and steve, if your concerned about corrupt governments, you’re in the right place. legislation is currently being lobbied for transparency in governments that need their odious long-term debts forgiven, and who’s generations of corrupt dictatorships have squandered funds or hid them in swiss accounts. ONE International’s legislative staff have until the first of this year been known as DATA, which is an acronym for Debt, Aid, Trade, Africa, or Geldof has stated Debt, AIDS, Trade, Advocacy. links can be provided to you on this here site for any concern you may have.

often a lot of growth and character develop when folks, and developed nations, lose their financial fortunes, many of the richest in our country have lost most of their fortunes a time or two, and their biographies are amazing. they often become some of the most empathetic philanthropists in the world, they know what it’s like to be broke, on various scales of broke, that is. ff the definition of socialism is being our brother’s keeper, is making our personal and national excesses, yes, excesses, their basic substances, i say bring it on.

i believe ONE is a single-issue (extreme non-domestic poverty, those bottom billion living on less than $2 a day purchase power parity) protagonist (positive lobbying, not negative, and we express gratitude for every victory) grassroots movement, they don’t want our money, they want our voice. considering the bottom billion are pretty voiceless, i’m happy to lobby on their behalf.
we’ve already paid the money in taxes, we vote our leaders in and out of office, they listen to us, seriously. try it.